what should it cost to replace cam tensioners on 2005 soft deluxe

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Podcast-In this episode we intermission downwards the outcome of problems with pre 2006 Dyna's & 1999-2006 leap loaded cam chain followers in Harley Davidson twin cam motors. The chain tensioning system in these motors uses plastic "shoes" riding on the cam chains that wear out. We here at Constabulary Abiding Biker all concur that there is no existent concern with the newer post 2006 motors and is limited to the years stated. Although we are pro Harley Davidson, this was a complete design failure and the company should have done a better job taking care of owners of the afflicted years in our opinion.  You actually need to listen in to this podcast episode to get all the facts and information.

Harley damaged cam chain tensioner

What is happening on the afflicted years? The plastic spring loaded cam chain follower fails & it shreds plastic material that fouls the rotary gear oil pump cutting off oil menses to the engine. The problem is that many are experiencing failures at many dissimilar mileages, so information technology is hard to predict. Additionally, riders likely will not hear annihilation going wrong. The only way to cheque the status of your cam chain followers is to dig in and audit them. If you lot are going to be in there for that and so nosotros propose to merely fix the trouble permanently & nosotros will tell yous how.

What did Harley do to set up the problem on the newer motors? On the 2007 and later motors, hydraulic cam chain followers are now used to become rid of the stiff spring that put too much force per unit area on the followers rubbing on the cam concatenation. Some believe that the problem even so exists even with the new hydraulic cam chain followers, but nosotros are non seeing that at all.

Our stance is that if y'all have an affected model that you take action as soon as yous can and avert the impending trouble all together since you tin can't predict when it will happen.

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Our proposition is for you to get rid of the chain arrangement entirely and switch to gear driven cams for the listed years. At that place are companies making aftermarket kits for this and without labor they cost around $750. The best thing is that you lot will become upgraded cams on top of the remainder of the upgrade kit, thus more performance.  If you appreciate this Free content consider using our 2 Bicycle Parts Supply Affiliate Link to purchase whatever of these kits (S&Southward Bike Consummate Gear Drive 510G Camshaft Kit) & assistance support u.s..

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The Fix #2 (Our second Choice):

Harley Davidson also sells an upgrade/fix kit for effectually $499 (example) without labor costs. Over again, nosotros believe that Harley Davidson should non exist selling a "prepare it" kit when it was their design trouble in the first place, simply information technology is what yous may exist stuck with. This HD kit does not change it to a gear driven organization & y'all don't get upgraded cams. Instead, it comes with hydraulic cam concatenation tensioner and loftier-menstruation oil pump. Harley says that the high-period oil pump provides increased oil pressure at loftier-operating temperatures. It changes the concatenation tensioner from spring to hydraulic. This is the standard ready that Harley dealerships will give yous unless yous want to go with the gear driven system and cams, which is again our start suggestion depending on you budget of course.

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Harley cam concatenation tensioner (twin cam)(behind)

Electronic mail that spawned this episode:

Subject: Plastic Shoes with cam chains

• Marc Littell of East Tennessee

First just wanted to say thanks for the great content you lot guys put out. I commute a couple hours to work on an plane and the Constabulary Constant Biker Podcast is always playing. I am new to Harley'southward, I've had a few older metrics and always have had clay bikes, and the service video was bang-up inspiration in completing the service. It really is elementary to complete later watching you guys tackle it on the video.

I have read about a potential trouble with the plastic shoes associated with the cam chains. Do you have any info on this upshot? This is a modest quote from an commodity on JP Cycles.   "The trouble is the design of the cam concatenation system. It uses plastic "shoes" riding on the cam chains that can (and do) vesture out. Harley has made some changes in later on model bikes, merely fifty-fifty with the new hydraulic tensioning organisation, it is non a true fix."

• Link to article he is referring to

• He is referring to our #1 Rated Harley Davidson Routine Oil Change & Maintenance Video! Tons of bikers around the world are saving money doing their ain maintenance & feeling the pure satisfaction of working on their own motorcycle.

Justin (Oscar'due south) Original Email Response:

I am very familiar with your question, I rode a 2006 Ultra Classic for 3 years.  Without knowing what y'all are riding I tin tell you this:

1999-2006 Harley Davidson introduced the Twin Cam motor.  In order to run the valve train Harley went to a cam concatenation tensioner set up utilizing a bound loaded shoe putting pressure level on the cam concatenation with push rods.  They also used, and I tin' remember the technical name of the concatenation, an older chain design.  Indeed the cam chain shoes would wearable out partly because of the shoe and partly because of the chain.  Harley recommended getting them checked between 35 and 40K miles.  Trouble is they could give out ANY time and were non covered nether warranty.  Generally when they go they pause upwards and go sucked up into the oil pump.  This disrupts the oil catamenia and tells the computer the oil level is low.  This tin shut the bicycle downward.  I had not heard of any major engine problems as a outcome simply you would need a new oil pump and new cam shoes.

The inspection and replacement of the inner shoe is expensive and involves removing the oil pump and cam, the outer one shoe is easier but yous have to check both of them.  Our dealership wanted $400 just to audit the shoes, which they wouldn't do because they said if they get that far into it they might besides only supervene upon them.  I idea, why would I replace a faulty product with new faulty products.

Harley, of class, made a fairly expensive upgrade including a new oil pump and hydraulic cam chain tensioners run past the engine oil and re-designed shoes.  They also went to a new style concatenation.  The new design is very reliable and as of similar 2009 I haven't heard of any problems with them.  Of course the upgraded kit was similar $400 in parts and $400 to install.

I went with a gear drive cam in my 2006.  More specifically I went with the S&S 510 gear drive.  This eliminates the cam chains entirely and actually produces a piffling more than horsepower by make the valve timing more accurate.  It was not noisy and the 510 cam produced crawly power with the stock 88ci motor.  Information technology was fifty-fifty better when I went upwardly to the 95ci.  Parts and labor was around $1500.00 which included new button rods and lifters, which is normally necessary.

Personally, in those yr bikes, I would do the gear drive cam if you programme on keeping your bike for a while.  Some guys rode those year bikes and never had a problem.  Other's had problems at unexpected times.  Harley will tell y'all that if you are going to supercede the shoes or practise the upgrade you might likewise do new cams, its no more than in labor considering the cam chest is already open, only the toll of parts and a lifetime of reliability if you go gear drive.

If you lot have any more questions let me know, I researched the various cams, cam timing and cam lift as well as gear vs chain drive.

Other Email  Answered:

• Scott Byram of Austin, TX

I watched your video on irresolute all the fluids.  I want to exercise this on my ain and non rely on a dealership, at least for this basic stuff.  So from watching the video, its possible to change all three fluids with the bike on the boot stand.  I have been told the bike should be upright when changing fluids but from the video, leaving the wheel on the stand works fine?  Did I get some bad information that the cycle should be upright when irresolute fluids.

• He is referring to our #1 Rated Harley Davidson Routine Oil Change & Maintenance Video! Tons of bikers effectually the globe are saving money doing their own maintenance & feeling the pure satisfaction of working on their own motorcycle.

My Original Email Response:

And so, it is non critical to take the bike level. Hither is the deal: Do everything on the kickstand if you like. If you feel so inclined and afterwards everything seems to accept been drained, you can stand the bike up level for fifteen-30 seconds and get the last little bit out.  Only, at the finish of the day that is just going the extra mile. That is why you might hear someone say that the bike "has to exist level".

Honestly, sometimes I exercise that if I retrieve, merely at the end of the solar day it is not critical.

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